News: Rummy
Posted by Marc on May 10, 2004 at 14:33:18:
Loyal to a fault, it looks like Bush has found his Dan Quayle. And as
Quayle will tell you, "abuse" ends with an "e".
Re: News: Rummy
Posted by Doug W on May 10, 2004 at 17:53:20:
In Reply to: News: Rummy posted by Marc on May 10, 2004 at 14:33:18:
How about Biden? There's a piece of work. His comments reek of politics. What a low-life piece of phlegm. He'd jockey for political points over his mother's corpse. He knows damn well that Rumsfeld's departure would create chaos and confusion at the top right in the middle of a war. He couldn't care less about dead soldiers and a defeated America, as long as it benefits his traitorous Party.
"I want to see the president do some swift and positive action here." What does he want, to have the president inject himself in an ongoing judicial matter? Go over there and personally whip the perpetrators? What? Hang himself in The Rose Garden? You will never please a grotesquerie like Biden. Anything that is done will be criticized and lead to more demands. That is the nature of evil.
And this vermin; this parasite; this cancer; this stinking, slithering pile of feces-encrusted rat vomit is the ranking Democrat on the Foreign Relations Committee. A fine token of a fine party. It's akin to having Sudan, Zimbabwe and Cuba on the UN Human Rights Commission - a sad, sick, dangerous joke.
Re: Rummy gets abused.
Posted by Chris Moore on May 10, 2004 at 19:08:53:
In Reply to: Rummy gets abused. posted by Marc on May 10, 2004 at 17:11:16:
Rummy's got no power to abrogate treaties, only Congress can do that. But he acted as if he did, he negated rules of conduct mandated by congress, I'm not sure who he thinks he is.
Right now I'm neutral on Rummy going or Rummy staying. I'd rather see the point made moot by GW being voted out of office in November.
Let me put on my conspiracy theorist hat. It's no secret the neo-cons have it in for Arabs, part of it is their pro-Zoinist leanings and part of it is their deep seated need for an evil external threat to America to justify their paronoid militaristic behvior (USSR used to take care of this). Could it be the neo-cons are behind such obvious hate-producing action by American military personnel as this prisoner abuse? Their goal being agent provocatuer style incitement of hatred against the US, to justify "counter" actions such as this war in Iraq? It seems far-fetched and I'm not saying I believe it but you never know...
Re: Rummy gets abused.
Posted by Doug W on May 10, 2004 at 19:42:58:
In Reply to: Re: Rummy gets abused. posted by Chris Moore on May 10, 2004 at 19:08:53:
Chris! Did Rumsfeld abrogate a treaty? I believe that the administration reasonably interpreted the Geneva Convention regarding certain categories of combatants by withholding its protections from some and extending them to others. See Article 4, section 2, Conditions (a), (b), (c) and (d). http://www.unhchr.ch/html/menu3/b/91.htm
This notion of criminality is nothing but wild-eyed, partisan hysteria.
Do you really think that the Soviet threat was nothing but imaginary paranoia, as well as the declaration of war from OBL followed by 10 years of regular, unremitting attacks on the U.S, culminating in 9/11? Is there any chance that we have it in for them because they have it in for us? Lot of dead people and ruined lives behind that paranoia!
Speaking of paranoid..ummm, your theory. Do we
really need to engineer this torture scandal to get these people to hate
us and, I dunno, maybe fly planes into our skyscrapers?
Rummy gets abused.
Posted by Marc on May 10, 2004 at 17:11:16:
In Reply to: News: Rummy posted by Marc on May 10, 2004 at 14:33:18:
I don't think the world can handle another 4 years of the Bush regime.
Re: Rummy gets abused.
Posted by Doug W on May 10, 2004 at 18:10:50:
In Reply to: Rummy gets abused. posted by Marc on May 10, 2004 at 17:11:16:
The world is on the road to disaster because we hooded and handcuffed maniacal, bloodthirsty savages? It survived the Mongol hordes, The Nazis, The Bataan Death March, The Cherokee Trail of Tears, Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, and Janet Reno's Justice Department, but this is the last straw! Treating prisoners in a war against the most brutal dictatorship in the world like... well, prisoners, will bring it all tumbling down.
Poor babies are hooded! Boo hoo. They're lucky we didn't follow the successful example of the great Augusto Pinochet and organize the former regime's enemies into death squads and hunt them all down like dogs!
Don't cry for the terrorists. When the war is over,
they'll be swarming over here on hardship visas.
Re: Rummy gets abused.
Posted by OBL on May 11, 2004 at 13:47:14:
In Reply to: Re: Rummy gets abused. posted by Doug W on May 10, 2004 at 18:10:50:
I love it! It just don't get any better than this.
I hope you don't mind if I use your posts? They are great. All Arabs are
terrorist, even if they were killed or imprisoned up by mistake. You
just hold on to that thought.
In the last 10 months we can't process recruits fast enough. There is a
2 month backlog on training for suicide bombings. And you really want to
know what is so funny? You bought the whole thing hook line and sinker.
I hear people railing about the pictures and saying that the problem is that someone took the pictures, not that people are being tortured. The pictures are the problem, Hashanah. Some famous right wing pundit said on the radio last week that the Americans were just blowing off some steam. Sort of like a frat party after finals. I am telling you ,you guys are just hilarious.
I’ll explain. I always hated Saddam. He is an infidel who worships huge palaces with rape rooms, Armani suits, Rolex watches, Roll Royce’s, dotting on his ignoramus sons, etc. You get the picture. Him dressed in Arab garb making like he is praying to Allah was like, well Bush landing on that aircraft carrier. Nothing but a photo op for general consumption. He created a secular Iraq, instead of a Muslim state. Baghdad had churches, mosques, and even a synagogue. That bastard killed and tortured thousands and thousands of Shiites because of the threat they posed to his government. Now he sounds like your type of guy, doesn't he? Well anyway I would have loved to get rid of him but I didn't have to. You guys did it for me. There were no real terrorist in Iraq as he knew they could turn against him and his sons in a minute. Now we can’t book them into Baghdad fast enough.
Hey look, I know your pissed. If I were you I would be pissed too. But you have been sold a bill of goods my man. Your President keeps telling you that he is liberating the people of Iraq. Do you really buy that? He is the great liberator! All hail the great liberator! Or is it the weapons? Oh where oh where are those nasty weapons? Oh where oh where could they be? Or was it that he was working with me. The biggest reason I hate Saddam is the same reason the Bushes hate him. Kuwait. Bush and Co. were pissed because Saddam was threatening the security of their oil business in the Gulf. This brought American troops into Saudi Arabia and the Muslim holy lands. Look I wish it were different but I got to tell ya that my hatred for Saddam was so great that I could not even put it aside to join forces against what we considered a common enemy, the US. Man now that’s hate. After that thing on September 11th the Bush gang decided that the mood in the US was ripe for some military action in the Arab world. He got what he wanted. The blank check to do what ever he wanted in the middle east. As long as America was killing Arabs. Now Bush, Chaney and Company control the second largest oil reserve in the world. Feels great don’t it? But greed will get ya sooner or later. Come on, laugh it up. Your paying for this in money and blood.
Let me give it to ya this one time so you can understand. There was no connection between September 11th and Iraq. No matter how many times the right wing radio guys try and make connection. “I see these pictures of the so called abuse all over the liberal controlled media, but I never see them along with the pictures of the dead Americans at the World Trade Center”. I love it!!! Keep it up. Bush and company do our work for us. And they deliver the great Satan right to your front door. I couldn’t have planned it better myself.
I watched Rummy on Fox News last week from the comfort of my cave last
week. I love Fox News. They give me so much material. I gotta tell you
that I pissed myself when he couldn’t find the organizational chart
showing the chain of command. Oh my, he said like a 4th grader that
forgot his homework. I cracked up. I hope he stays. Yeah you heard
right. You go right on believing that we care if Rummy stays or goes. Oh
but it would be perceived as giving in to terrorist, hahahahahah. Yeah
we care. Perhaps some Arabs may care that him resigning would be a
symbolic gesture, but we certainly do not. I just sit in my cave
remembering Rummy embracing Saddam only a few Presidents ago while
outfitting Iraq with some nice weapons to fight Iran. Or all the nice
weapons Bush 1 and Reagan gave me when the big bad Russians invaded
Afghanistan. Oh those were the days. I have to go now as I am late for a
massage. The stress of trying to process all these recruits is beginning
to get to me. Keep up the good work.
Re: Rummy gets abused.
Posted by Chris Moore on May 11, 2004 at 20:47:10:
In Reply to: Re: Rummy gets abused. posted by OBL on May 11, 2004 at 13:47:14:
Hey you I dont know who you are and personally the
"OBL" handle I could do without but as far as the the veracity of some
of what you present such as:Saddam once a US ally;right-winger
radiologues constantly tieing Saddam/Iraqis to 9/11 when even the White
House admits no tie exists(excluding Cheney on the Sunday gabfest that
is);prisoner treatment specifically gearer toward insulting and
humiliating Arabs dismissed as frat-boy pranks or even less offensive
than that. All dead on target!
Re: Rummy gets abused.
Posted by Doug W on May 11, 2004 at 17:03:22:
In Reply to: Re: Rummy gets abused. posted by OBL on May 11, 2004 at 13:47:14:
Don't stay in one cave too long.
Re: Rummy gets abused.
Posted by OBL on May 11, 2004 at 18:56:29:
In Reply to: Re: Rummy gets abused. posted by Doug W on May 11, 2004 at 17:03:22:
Hey, if you get me you get me. I am not afraid. Just as your great and glorious leader implied about himself, I too in my struggle answer to a higher authority.
By the way, I remember seeing the great liberator at a family function sometime ago. His family and my family have been doing business for years. Still do. I went to live in a cave and he went to live at 1600 Penn. Ave.
Tell the truth, once you get past the anger aren’t you the least bit embarrassed by all of this?
Re: Rummy gets abused.
Posted by Doug W on May 11, 2004 at 19:59:56:
In Reply to: Re: Rummy gets abused. posted by OBL on May 11, 2004 at 18:56:29:
No
Re: Rummy gets abused.
Posted by OBL on May 11, 2004 at 20:40:36:
In Reply to: Re: Rummy gets abused. posted by Doug W on May 11, 2004 at 19:59:56:
A man of few words I see. Well how about this one? Here is the hypothetical. If I admire anything, regardless of which side of the conflict you may find yourself, it is the soul of the warrior. If you truly are a warrior, and you have defined your enemy, and you hate your enemy, you have to feel a kinship to those give themselves for a higher calling. Put it on the line as it where. Those willing to give up everything, their lives, for an idea, a concept, a country or a philosophy. One of your star football players just did this just down the road from my weekend cave. I tip my turban to him. He was a warrior in every sense of the word.
You speak about the dissention among your politicians as simply making political hay out of the situation in Iraq. It is an election year there so I can see the sensitivity.
However, doesn't it make you just the slightest bit embarrassed when the Bush team brands war heroes as unpatriotic, even treasonous opportunist simply because they dare to disagree with their plans. They have done this time and time again. Some victims include John Kerry, Max Clealand, Wesley Clark and yes even John McCain of their own party. Did Max Clealand make up the story about leaving his limbs behind in Vietnam? Did John Kerry have a right to speak about Vietnam? I think he may have known a bit more about it than anyone presently on team Bush. Was John McCain a traitor who spent 5 years on the beach with a bunch of Vietcong hussies. And Wesley Clark who saved a million of my Muslim brothers from the Serbs, was his purple heart in Nam just a case of fraud. It seem that if you put it on the line in Nam and came back a Democrat you are automatically a target for character assination.
Yeah I know, Bush didn't approve those spots, Carl Rove did. But he didn't disapprove them either. Yeah he supports the military. Let his spoiled daughters fly helicopters around Falugia and see how he feels.
These people who hide under their beds while other
lay it on the line are despicable sub humans. I would be embarrassed to
have lunch at the same table with them. I do not know how you and your
ilk continue to support them. But as long as you do keep up the “only
good Arab is a dead Arab rhetoric”. Works for me.
Re: Rummy gets abused.
Posted by Doug W on May 11, 2004 at 21:30:27:
In Reply to: Re: Rummy gets abused. posted by OBL on May 11, 2004 at 20:40:36:
Kerry is not branded as treasonous simply because he dares to disagree with the policies of the current administration. He is branded as treasonous because he has spent his entire political life hobnobbing with commies and attempting through his votes in the Congress and the Senate to undermine his country. There is reasonable dissent and there is the fifth column. Kerry is a fifth-columnist.
What is the rational behind this crap that anybody who was sent to fight in the military is an automatic "hero" who is immune from criticism? They are a segment of the population just like any other. Among their ranks of good, decent, normal Americans are murderers, rapists, muggers, burglars, low-life scum, commies and senators. McCain, Cleland, Clark, they’re all jerkoffs.
If anything, I’m embarrassed about the reticence of
“The Bush Team” to engage the enemy and come right out and do what you
accuse them of.
Re: Rummy gets abused.
Posted by OBL on May 11, 2004 at 22:13:34:
In Reply to: Re: Rummy gets abused. posted by Doug W on May 11, 2004 at 21:30:27:
Slippery slope my friend. America is headed in the direction of a single party government. Almost there now. Democrats are for the most part irrelevant. Hey that would make it sort of like Saddam's government. Just imagine team Bush actually winning an election and not having to care about being re-elected. Hey if this is the way you want to go so be it.
By the way I would like to out Ashcroft. I have my
sources. There are others. Not that there's anything wrong with that.