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Posted by Ron on December 02, 2004 at 23:16:42:
don't get too dizzy trying to spin this one way.....
REPUBLICANS HAVE DEMS OVER A 'BARREL'
BY DEBORAH ORIN
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Posted by Marc on December 03, 2004 at 12:00:56:
In Reply to: so much for the U.N. posted by Ron on December 02, 2004 at 23:16:42:
I love the Republican Party platform:
We're going to install democracies around the world, even if we have to kill ours and yours citizens in order to do it. Better to live free or die, baby!
As for democracy at the global level? You can forget it. We'll run the show, thank you. Your opinion is of no interest to us. Besides, we'd rather have dinner with Saudi Kings than explain for the umpteenth that W.M.D.s are exclusive right of Western democracies.
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Posted by Doug W on December 03, 2004 at 23:20:05:
In Reply to: Re: so much for the U.N. posted by Marc on December 03, 2004 at 12:00:56:
What is so objectionable about removing one of the world’s most brutal dictators and freeing an enslaved people to elect their own government?
If this is part of the Republican platform, how do you explain FDR and Truman vis-à-vis Japan and Germany and Korea? How about Clinton and Bosnia and Kosovo; Kennedy and Johnson and Vietnam? I believe Kerry voted for this war and said he would have continued it (when he wasn't saying he was against it, of course).
Do you equate our possession of WMD with the insane Mullahs in Iran? Are all regimes equal? Are there not criminal regimes? Do you think guns in the hands of the police are the same as guns in the hands of psychopaths? Hey, it's only fair, right?
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Posted by Ron on December 03, 2004 at 13:17:41:
In Reply to: Re: so much for the U.N. posted by Marc on December 03, 2004 at 12:00:56:
I"m sorry, how does your post in any way adress corruption in the U.N. and the liberal press ignoring it?
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Posted by Marc on December 03, 2004 at 13:40:23:
In Reply to: Re: so much for the U.N. posted by Ron on December 03, 2004 at 13:17:41:
As Annan stated, his son is a grown man who makes his own decisions.
All this b.s. about the abuse of the oil for food program is just that. Saddam did not rebuild his army or develop W.M.D.s with the cash. The country was dirt poor. He had some nice palaces. Funny, when a rich guy in this country creates "palaces," the Republicans talk about the trickle-down economy.
Check the Times. They are covering the story.
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Posted by Ron on December 03, 2004 at 14:39:46:
In Reply to: Re: so much for the U.N. posted by Marc on December 03, 2004 at 13:40:23:
They're covering the story NOW because they have no choice.
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Posted by Doug W on December 03, 2004 at 23:38:04:
In Reply to: Re: so much for the U.N. posted by Marc on December 03, 2004 at 13:40:23:
b.s????? The U.N set up this program to ostensibly provide basic necessities to the Iraqi people to ease the humanitarian crisis inherent in the international sanctions imposed on Hussein to compel him to adhere to his obligations under the Gulf War ceasefire. Instead, with the collusion of the Secretary General of the U.N. the program was perverted to bring even more riches to Hussein than he had received previous to the arrangement while robbing the Iraqi people of even the most basic needs. In other words, due to the corruption of this program it resulted in the exact opposite of its alleged goals on both of its alleged objectives.
If you think that delivering $21 billion to Saddam Hussein while his people starved through the greatest scandal of venal greed and corruption in human history is a laughing matter, I feel sorry for you. Your bizarre ideology has made you incapable of recognizing an atrocious humanitarian crime.
Palaces? Oh, what an innocent use of these pilfered billions. But wait, France, Germany and Russia stood against the use of force to compel Hussein to adhere to his treaty obligations. We now know that the leaders of these countries were bent over and greased up by O.F.F millions to provide cover for this monster. Does it not occur to you that if not for these bribes, the international community would have been united in insisting that he live up to his obligations and that under such pressure, he would have complied; that it was the hope engendered by his payoffs of millions to Chirac, Schroeder and Putin and the lure of millions to come that encouraged his obstinacy? That without the corruption of this program tens of thousands of Iraqis and some 1,200 American heroes would be alive today. You write this off as b.s.??? You think this filthy, foul corruption is trivial?
And, comparing the way these billions were acquired through the most vile international corruption and the suffering of a nation, and the way they were spent supporting terrorism and the building of dozens of palaces and prisons in a totalitarian state, to an honest American’s acquisition of a large home in a free capitalist system, is particularly disingenuous and loathsome.
As for Annan and his son, would you be so magnanimous between G.H.W Bush and G.W. Bush on, say, Saudi influence? Do you really believe that Annans’ son got millions in oil vouchers from the corruption of a program initiated by his father and his father was “shocked!...shocked!” to learn of it?
Is it because many millions of these diverted dollars went to the Palestinian intifada and the copious spilling of Zionist blood that you are so cavalier toward this monumental infamy? Is it because the revelation of French, German and Russian complicity in this huge crime, in some small way, justifies Bush going to war without the imprimatur of the Security Council? Is it unconditional love of this Aceldama of tyrants and dictators that befouls Manhattan and stands against America at every turn? What is it that compels you to pooh-pooh the plain facts of this monstrous crime against humanity and the final degradation and disgrace of an organization that was founded upon such lofty ideals? The crime is heinous and plain. Your dismissive attitude toward it can only be divined by your own introspection.
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Posted by Marc on December 09, 2004 at 17:50:11:
In Reply to: Re: so much for the U.N. posted by Doug W on December 03, 2004 at 23:38:04:
Hey, it's no worse than giving tax breaks to Rumsfeld and Cheney who are using that money to increase their wealth instead of starting businesses to employ the good citizens who voted for the guy who gave them the breaks.
Besides, Hussein hired hard-working Iraqis to build those palaces. Those same hard workers used those wages to buy goods and services for them and their family. As a result, other Iraqis who made those goods and offered their services reaped the rewards of the patronage of those hard-working Iraqis.
Doug, it's the trickle-down economy in action. If you feel people are getting pissed on, sell umbrellas. ;-)