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Posted by ROn on June 17, 2004 at 26:04:30:
In Reply to: just a thought or 2 posted by ROn on June 17, 2004 at 25:56:00:
Two Clinton-administration stalwarts, Attorney General Janet Reno and U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White, brought an indictment against bin Laden and a deputy, Mohammed Atef, in 1998 — charging that Saddam and Osama "reached an understanding . . . that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the government of Iraq."
eyup.... clinton's own people... in 1998....
i'm sure it's a lie, i mean, how could it be true? it wasn't in the NYTIMES....
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Posted by Marc on June 18, 2004 at 11:21:47:
In Reply to: just in case you missed it posted by ROn on June 17, 2004 at 26:04:30:
Ron, you are clinging to Bush like a child to its mother's skirt.
Dick Cheney is still running around the country telling anyone who will listen that Al Qaeda and Iraq had an active, working relationship.
That's simply not the case. Nor is it true that Iraq had WMD's that threatened anyone other than the handler of old, empty shells.
You would have made a great juror on the O.J. Simpson case.
P.S. I love Woodton's conclusion on the O.J. case. The son did it, and then tried to frame the old man. Too bad the property didn't have a grassy knoll to hide the second slasher.
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Posted by Doug W on June 18, 2004 at 18:10:33:
In Reply to: Re: just in case you missed it posted by Marc on June 18, 2004 at 11:21:47:
Marc, do you KNOW that Iraq and al Qaeda did not have an active working relationship? You say, “That's simply not the case.” Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that it has not been proven; there is no concrete evidence; bin Laden associates deny it. To state unequivocally that it is not the case seems very New York Times-like.
Anyhoo, there is substantial, even overwhelming circumstantial evidence that they did have an active, working relationship. I am reading Hayes’ book, "The Connection: How al Qaeda's Collaboration with Saddam Hussein Has Endangered America." I am convinced. I must admit that, just through knowledge of history, other reading, and common sense, I was predisposed to believe it before cracking the binding. However, from what I have read so far, the certitude evinced by the statement, “That's simply not the case” is preposterous.
As for WMD, Iraq’s have been found in Iraq, in Jordan, in Syria and all over the world. So, let’s drop the “no WMD bulls**t.” And it was not the presence of extremely perishable and easily hidden WMD that spurred us to war anyway, it was the fact that Saddam had the capability and willingness to manufacture them and distribute them to our Islamo-fascist enemies as soon as the world wearied of playing his games, removed inspectors and lifted the boycott (actions which were imminent). HE HAD TO BE REMOVED!
The people we have elected to our highest offices are doing their best with the meager tools left to them by years of treasonous democrat erosion to protect us from this implacable enemy. Bush is advised by serious, experienced, learned and seasoned professionals. They make the Clinton bunch look like a phalanx of Wiley Coyotes without the balls. Do you read Geostrategy, Jane’s Intelligence Digest, MEMRI, anything but CNN, Yahoonews and The New York Slimes? This is deadly, serious business.
This whining, carping, armchair general, momoquing is getting old. You can disagree with the strategy, you can point out mistakes and how things might have been done differently. But these inaccurate, blanket statements of condemnation about al Qaeda/Iraq links and WMD are not helpful. I’m sure al Jazeera is not on the boar.d, passing your comments along to the enemy as an example of lack of American resolve. But, the exact same comments ARE being extolled on the pages of The New York Times, ABC, CBS, NBC, the disgraced CNN, Michael Moore, Moveon.org, International Answer, The Workers World Party, Hollywood elitists and the entire Demoncrat Party. They are immediately broadcast throughout the enemy territory to put doubt of our resolve in the hearts of our friends and embolden our enemies that they can succeed if they persevere. I consider them all TRAITORS! You are parroting their line.
Are you saying we cannot defeat this enemy, just as the worldwide Left said we would have to learn to live with the USSR forever? Are you saying we can get along with this enemy if we just withdraw to our own borders and mind our own business as Neville Chamberlain said of the Nazis? What, exactly is your remedy?
Whose skirts are you clinging to? If there are two skirts;
one of truth, the faith in freedom, American resolve, patriotism and optimism in
our victory, represented by the Bush administration, and the other of lies,
defeatism, appeasement, carping, enemy propaganda, vicious partisan
disinformation and utopian illusions about the nature of the enemy, represented
by The Left, which do you choose? It is a stark choice. I’ll proudly choose a
skirt to cling to. Which do you choose?